Comments on: Flash and Silverlight, maybe 2 strangers passing in the crowd http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/ excerpts from the mind of a platform evangelist Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:24:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Neofive http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-30761 Neofive Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:21:36 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-30761 I am one Flash developer who has made integrating with JavaScript and the DOM an everyday activity. Flash (the original AJAX) has had the ability to maintain an asynchronous connection with its host (DOM) for some time. Yeah Flash is very cool, but Silverlight does sound interesting. Thanks. I am one Flash developer who has made integrating with JavaScript and the DOM an everyday activity. Flash (the original AJAX) has had the ability to maintain an asynchronous connection with its host (DOM) for some time.

Yeah Flash is very cool, but Silverlight does sound interesting. Thanks.

]]> By: Silverlight Vs Flash: Trying to collect different opinions | MCSE Blogs http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-21478 Silverlight Vs Flash: Trying to collect different opinions | MCSE Blogs Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:44:24 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-21478 [...] Charles Freedman : Flash and Silverlight, maybe 2 strangers passing in the crowd 1-05-07 [...] [...] Charles Freedman : Flash and Silverlight, maybe 2 strangers passing in the crowd 1-05-07 [...]

]]> By: Erik http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-5419 Erik Tue, 01 May 2007 20:14:10 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-5419 While the two players do support video streaming, don't overlook the fact that streaming video is required to run on Windows 2003 Server. That's lock-in on both client and server OS (given Microsoft's history with things like Java and IE, I'll believe cross-platform client support when it's still being maintained four years from the real launch). Additionally, don't forget the complexity of the Microsoft CAL licensing. It's unclear what type of CAL Media Server requires from their licensing site, you could be liable for purchasing CAL licenses for Mac users if you want streaming video. While the two players do support video streaming, don’t overlook the fact that streaming video is required to run on Windows 2003 Server. That’s lock-in on both client and server OS (given Microsoft’s history with things like Java and IE, I’ll believe cross-platform client support when it’s still being maintained four years from the real launch). Additionally, don’t forget the complexity of the Microsoft CAL licensing. It’s unclear what type of CAL Media Server requires from their licensing site, you could be liable for purchasing CAL licenses for Mac users if you want streaming video.

]]> By: chuckstar22 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-5416 chuckstar22 Tue, 01 May 2007 17:27:46 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-5416 I know most developers are using Firefox these days. However, I still get a large amount of traffic for the "Gadgematch" [http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?cat=6] (consumer electronics and gadget review) posts that I do. While we're on the topic of web stats, I was shocked to see that over the past 3 months, 84% of my search engine traffic comes from Google. Great comments so far. Thank you. I know most developers are using Firefox these days. However, I still get a large amount of traffic for the “Gadgematch” [http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?cat=6] (consumer electronics and gadget review) posts that I do.

While we’re on the topic of web stats, I was shocked to see that over the past 3 months, 84% of my search engine traffic comes from Google.

Great comments so far. Thank you.

]]> By: polyGeek http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-5415 polyGeek Tue, 01 May 2007 17:17:33 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-5415 At polyGeek.com it's FF over IE 54% to 34%. I'll support your statement that many Flash developers were pushed into Flash because browser DOMs suck. I was never an HTML/Javascript coder who tried to strive for standards. I didn't know or care what the standards were. I just wanted pages that worked. And getting things to work was becoming more and more of a hack every day. Flash == stability. In the battle for developers I can't really imagine that many will switch. I think that Adobe-centric developers picking up MS tools will be few, and visa-versa. If either has a slight advantage I'd say it's Adobe because Flex/Apollo are so compelling. The real battle is for all the developers who don't use either MS or Adobe products/platforms. I think that's where Adobe has a huge advantage. Then again, I'm an Adobe-centric developer so what do I know? :-) At polyGeek.com it’s FF over IE 54% to 34%.

I’ll support your statement that many Flash developers were pushed into Flash because browser DOMs suck. I was never an HTML/Javascript coder who tried to strive for standards. I didn’t know or care what the standards were. I just wanted pages that worked. And getting things to work was becoming more and more of a hack every day. Flash == stability.

In the battle for developers I can’t really imagine that many will switch. I think that Adobe-centric developers picking up MS tools will be few, and visa-versa. If either has a slight advantage I’d say it’s Adobe because Flex/Apollo are so compelling.

The real battle is for all the developers who don’t use either MS or Adobe products/platforms. I think that’s where Adobe has a huge advantage. Then again, I’m an Adobe-centric developer so what do I know? :-)

]]> By: Josh Tynjala http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-5414 Josh Tynjala Tue, 01 May 2007 16:37:11 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-5414 It's interesting that you still have a 2-to-1 ratio of IE users to Firefox users. Last time I checked, my blog received about 60% of its hits from Firefox. It’s interesting that you still have a 2-to-1 ratio of IE users to Firefox users. Last time I checked, my blog received about 60% of its hits from Firefox.

]]> By: John Dowdell http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/technology/flash-and-silverlight-maybe-2-strangers-passing-in-the-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-5408 John Dowdell Tue, 01 May 2007 14:38:44 +0000 http://www.chuckstar.com/blog/?p=55#comment-5408 I hear you, on many of these observations. (Predictions I'm not so good on. ;-) One thing which really put the MS plugin in context of the overall MS business was this Ray Ozzie quote in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer yesterday: "Advertising is actually the truly important thing to look at... Microsoft, I believe, has to have a world-class ad economic engine, needs to innovate and partner in order to make sure that we have a good ad ecosystem, a good set of inventory in order to make it attractive." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/313812_ozzieqa01.html To build up a strong video advertising system, they need their developer customers to become familiar with the types of presentations people have been making in SWF the past five years. To control their video advertising channel, they need to control the desktop engine. They're selling the "Experience Matters" idea into their current developer base, not necessarily to the world at large. Their vision of getting back to 20% growth rates for the stock price involves owning the complete advertising chain. All the rest is extraneous to this goal. (For Player adoption rates, partly that's due to the prior auto-update presence, but I think the greater reason is the pull of great content -- nearly every major site uses SWF to go beyond text, the most exciting stuff on the web requires the Player -- I've seen the worldwide acceptance of SWF production as being the key factor in the insanely rapid Player adoption rates among consumers.) jd/adobe I hear you, on many of these observations. (Predictions I’m not so good on. ;-)

One thing which really put the MS plugin in context of the overall MS business was this Ray Ozzie quote in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer yesterday:
“Advertising is actually the truly important thing to look at… Microsoft, I believe, has to have a world-class ad economic engine, needs to innovate and partner in order to make sure that we have a good ad ecosystem, a good set of inventory in order to make it attractive.”
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/313812_ozzieqa01.html

To build up a strong video advertising system, they need their developer customers to become familiar with the types of presentations people have been making in SWF the past five years. To control their video advertising channel, they need to control the desktop engine. They’re selling the “Experience Matters” idea into their current developer base, not necessarily to the world at large. Their vision of getting back to 20% growth rates for the stock price involves owning the complete advertising chain. All the rest is extraneous to this goal.

(For Player adoption rates, partly that’s due to the prior auto-update presence, but I think the greater reason is the pull of great content — nearly every major site uses SWF to go beyond text, the most exciting stuff on the web requires the Player — I’ve seen the worldwide acceptance of SWF production as being the key factor in the insanely rapid Player adoption rates among consumers.)

jd/adobe

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